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Soliel

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I have a couple who are long term tenants. About 22 years.  They are an older government retired couple.

I've had issues with them in the past.  They have often ignored my requests or not gotten back to me.   They know it's a non smoking property yet they have continued to smoke both weed and cigarettes.  They are around 70 and still into that stuff (they have brain damage from their drug use as young people).  She said she quit only because of her health even though she knows she shouldn't be smoking in the unit. She should have stopped because it was against the rules.

Just yesterday when I was in with a contractor measuring windows (I am getting them new windows) and checking smoke detectors and boy were they mad!  How dare I go in a check on their smoke detectors!  I gave them warning of course many days a head of time.  They have a sort of entitled attitude like I shouldn't treat them like regular tenants.  They gave me the energy of daggers.

The husband is weird. They are both weird. The husband never greets me and is drug damaged.  He also has anger issues. I try to avoid them because I find them so unlikeable.

Because I have experienced their entitled attitude so many times before I've considered booting them several times before. But because I don't want drama I cave.


They do pay their rent on time and they are quiet so that's a plus.

That is not the issue just giving a background.
  
The issue is that when I went I discovered they did some renovations without my permission!   They took out the built in stove, the built in oven and put in new counter tops!   Without asking permission!  Now granted all of this was old and could have used a replacement but they didn't ask.  I would have said "yes" but it bothers me they disrespect my rules.  No wonder she didn't want me in there.

The renovations look really nice.  However I don't like that they did it without asking. It screams to me the attitude I've always sensed they had which is "we own this".  And now this is proof!

Would you let this go?  What would you do?  I try to be flexible and forgiving towards tenants to a degree.  Is this over the top to you?  



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22 years is a long time to rent.  I might forget I don't own the place too.

Do you want to keep them?  Is the rent close to market rate?  Are you happy with the quality of work they did? 

If so, send a firm warning notice that they are not to make any unauthorized improvements to the property without your written permission.  Make it clear that violating this is grounds for eviction.  Include an acceptance of the changes they have made to date but make it clear that no future improvements are allowed unless approved by you in writing.

If not, then give them notice you won't renew the lease and bring it up to market rents.

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I agree with the other responder in regards to the letter and whether or not you want to keep them there .

One of many questions I would ask would be what did they do with your Appliances doesn't matter if they're old or not you don't have them it could be considered theft. You could possibly use this situation as a reason to inspect your property. the fact that you noticed they replaced the stove/appliances which could have involved some electrical changes blah blah blah that you need to bring in a contractor and check the work that has been done and the rest of the property to see what other changes have been made to be sure that your insurance covers it and that could be an excuse to check the place out and piss them off and hand them a letter in person and have them sign it.
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You knew that these people were wackydoodle .You opted to put up with them and let them stay. You made your bed . Now you have to sleep in it .
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Maximilian I don't think they're looking for your personal criticism they're looking for help that's why they posted a question on this site.
Maxmillian

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Yes ,perhaps I am  too harsh .But he  obviously should have removed these people years ago .He kept them with all their faults because it was the easy route . It is hard to impose discipline on a child or on a tenant .  The failure to do so will have its cost . 
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I agree with what you initially said my point is there's no need to say it. I think that they, the landlord, can still stick it to these tenants though and should.
LLinVA

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"he obviously should have removed these people years ago" Why? Because they improved his unit at their own cost? Yes, their attitude stinks and they should have asked, but that's very far down on the list of crap that tenants do.

There's always a final straw that makes people not want to deal with it anymore, and this landlord may not have even reached that yet. This landlord is just asking how to handle this situation moving forward, not how should they have handled things 22 years ago. 
Soliel

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I like many of your suggestions. What I want to do is put in place regular inspections of their place to make sure they aren't doing more unapproved renovations.  Like two times a year the same amount for smoke detector check.  I am going to ask if it's legal today.

Also a strongly worded letter.

I feel at this point I am not quite ready to boot them.  It will take a lot of renovation I am not ready for. I just went thru a move and THREE renovations this year.  There are other pressing needs so I'd like to save up a bit before I kick them out.  Also I wonder if they will stall and cause problems for me.  They are very entitled I wouldn't be surprised.  They are elderly and one is sick with heart disease (she is lazy AF, eats horrible and doesn't move at all) and I wonder if they will use the "disability" card to delay leaving.  I'll have to ask if her being disabled in CA can be a problem. They are very attached to this home and would probably do anything.

The regular inspections will give me peace of mind.  And it will annoy them but who cares. They asked for it.  I'll have to ask today if it would be legal for me to do two deep inspections of their unit twice a year.

And yes I'll have a contractor go in a check to make sure everything was done right.






Anonymous

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I agree it if they are paying rent, technically on time and only installed an upgrade then other then having to swallow your pride and anger let them stay, BUT like i previously suggested it would be worth it to find out ahead of time  what you can say or do about YOUR appliances, old or not, that they removed.  If they should decide to move or get crappy with you if and when they do move they might uninstall the appliance(s) they installed and say that they are theirs.  It would be worth it for you to find out what you can have signed that incorporates those appliances they installed as now your property and what other strict rules, regulations, fines you can include in their lease renewal, should you have them renew or future tenants.  In the interim i would check with an attorney about having them sign an addendum that includes the new appliances and any changes....

I'm in California as well and although i don't know all of the specifics i do know that California is tough and tenant friendly and you can't do just random inspections and or annual inspections
Soliel

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Yes. I will look into that.

If it was just an upgrade and they were nicer all the way around I'd let it go faster.

But they have a history of not following the rules. They have given me grief over the smallest of things. Just not very cooperative.

It makes me wonder what else they have done or will do.  Was it done safely and correctly?

I am gathering information and deciding what to do.  


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