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mauigirl

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had this rude tenants for 6 months and is a 1 year lease. lease says condo comes with appliances. w/d broke two times n I had bought used one's as that is what I can afford now. I told tenant of it brakes again I won't pay for another one but she will by one for her own use that she can sell when she leaves or take it with her as financially I'm not doing so well. she answered is not her responsibility n she didn't brake it or will not buy another one. I clarified that if she buys one it will be for her (not for me to keep) and I told her I am not blaming her for w/d braking. I just said I can't keep on buying out of pocket as I can't afford it. what is the right thing to do???am I wrong???or am I wright??can I get in troubel??in the leaseit ddoesn't say I am responsible for buying new appliances. pls suggestions??
propertymangergetitright

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by law u have to provide heat and hot water, the other items like a dishwasher are not necessities especially if they keep "accidentally brake them" items dont continue to brake. 
RedFord150

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You provided the W/D as part of the rental unit. You have to maintain it. You do not get to decide after the deal is done that you do not like being responsible for the costs. Whether you have the $ or not is your problem, not the tenants. This is part of being a LL. It sometimes costs $.

The law requires you to provide whatever is in the property at the time the tenant signed the lease, not just heat and running water. The only exception is if you included in the lease that you are not responsible for certain items and tenant signed their agreement.

I believe you stated that you bought the W/D used. I am guessing the person sold them because he was already having problems. Sounds like you bought someone else's headache.
propertymangergetitright

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@REDFORD150 BS! u dont get to decide who is responsible and who is not, obviously you are biased! Anybody can see the irresponsible ones are these tenants! As he stated the w/d keeps braking, due to something that they are doing, probably loading it up with sneakers. These items do not continue to brake on there own, its easy to see someone is tampering with the machine! if they decided to take him to court his proof would be the repeated damages that are occurring to the machine. 

What he did was fare, they want one, buy one they can take it with them when they leave. A w/d is not a necessity, I am sure they are laundromats near by. 

plus in his lease he said he is not responsible for damages.
RedFord150

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PropertyManagerGetItRight, please tell us exactly where the OP told us his lease states he not responsible for W/D. Please tell us exactly how you know the tenant broke the machine. Repeated repairs by themselves only prove that the machine is garbage. Does the repairman actually say the failure was the result of vandalism? It seems you have assumed much, bit know very little. Before you start using profanity, you should work on your reading comprehension and learn a little about contract law.
propertymangergetitright

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@RedFord150 like I said, the machine is not designed to keep braking on its own. Is that clear enough diction for you? your stupid assumption is clearly a biased one. Even if its in a contract if something continues to brake its not being used correctly, and the person is not responsible to keep fixing someone else continued reckless! misuse.  

That is what you call common sense.  It is obvious someone is either loading the machine up with something that is not suppose to be in their. (I have the same washing and dryer for over 10 years no issues!) lol They are braking it to be malicious! Never the less, the w/d is not a requirement as I said their are laundromats near by. And if they were to take him to court then it would have to be revealed why the machine keeps braking and if its not braking due to normal use then that will take care of that. 

If I were him I would make sure to document everything! 

by the way @RedFord150 I would find it disgusting to do any kind of business with you, you remind me of a twisted bigot I use to work for, I can picture him being that kind of ah! he would think its some kind of twisted joke to keep braking the machine and wanting the owner to keep fixing it!  to figure out whats going on. I would remove the machine, not renew a lease with a jerk like him or you or this tenant! Obviously they are their to cause problems! They are their not to be good tenants. Good enough diction for you!? ah! lol 

o yea tell Robert Kolars to tell his mother I cant make it tonight! lol 
RedFord150

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PropertyManagementGetItRight, you remind me of a really stupid Property Manager I once rented from. She taught me everything I need to know about how not to be a LL. Now that I actually own rental property, I have met several property managers. Very few are worth doing business with. I would put you in that group. As an owner, you would last about 30 seconds working for me.

You claim the machine was not designed to break (not BRAKE, as you spelled it). What product do you think is designed to break? You assume because it has broken multiple times, it must be the user. The OP bought it used. Do you know how old the machine is or how it was used in the past? Is it possible it is just worn out and the parts are breaking one by one? If the tenant was vandalizing or abusing the machine, do you think he would possibly tell the LL (his customer) what the actual cause was or would he just let his customer think he was a lousy repairman?

While we talking about spelling, the word is there, not their.

I have a very good understanding of contract law. Do you? My answers are based on the law, not a bunch of wild assumptions. can you say the same. You have used the words "Biased" and 'Bigoted" and "twisted" to describe me. You also called me an AH. Please explain how you draw these conclusions? Define my bias. How am I bigoted? Is everyone who disagrees with your weak theories an AH?

Personal attacks are a sign of a low intellect. You really should learn to articulate your thoughts, instead of attacking your opponent. You will appear much smarter. 
propertymangergetitright

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@redford150 like I said you remind me of that stupid flb! bigot boss I worked for! by the way very happy when I left! lol. he would do just what you are trying to do act like some big shot! he tried to pretend he was some fbi agent but nothing but a stupid hacking flb! is that u with another fake profile kolars!? lol whats the matter lonely need attention again!? go play with your guns....trying to act like somebody important again!? yawn! but deep down or not or not so deep down inside he is a flb! lol dont care what you own or how much money u claim to have! or what u claim to know lol 

yup the machine was not designed to "brake"! will keep on spelling it just like that just for flb's like you! lol and your so called contract knowledge again not impressed! again its not designed to keep "braking" lol common sense! would tell anybody that, and like I said laundromats are in the area, you and tenant go knock yourself out! so what ever contract crap u claim to know u should have known that! lol 

and again, if the tenant wanted to take the owner to court because he does not want to repair the machine  proof of why it keeps "braking"  would have to be provided that will clear up the mystery for you in your pea brain! lol  not go by what ever the heck yawn u are talking about! lol now "there" or "their" u go understand now!? 

thats funny u talk about personal attacks but apply just that, look in the mirror "stupid" flb! 
again tell robert kolars moms cant make it tonight! 
RedFord150

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Propertymangergetitright. What is a property manger? You use lots of bad words, but failed to answer a single direct question. You talk about how much money I say I have. Yet, I have not mentioned any amount. You talk about common sense. Do you have any? I enjoyed your hysterical rants. They show our readers just how disturbed you really are. I strongly recommend you seek professional help. You obviously need medication. I wish you the best of luck in your treatment.
propertymangergetitright

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@redFord150 u idiot! u are not getting it, telling u, go that away! go play with kolars and count to ten then let that bad air out of your pie hole lol getting the message now kolars!? lol your questions mean nothing to me, ah's like you are a yawn, cant even apply common sense! you swim in ignorance getting it now? "their" "there" "dear" it will sink in soon. or should I "brake" "break" it down for you some more? lol  save your fake "best wishes" I'm sure you cant even come close to meaning them! lol u remind me of kolars and trump. put up a front and do your dirt! lol I bet you try and get someone in court then try and out spend them when you know you are wrong!  flb! people like u are being exposed! lol now go kick rocks! lol 

o and again tell robert kolars to tell his moms cant make it tonight! lol 
RedFord150

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^^^You really are very sick. Your rantings show signs of delusion. Please, for your sake, call 911 right now and have yourself committed. It is for the best. God Bless.
propertymangergetitright

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@redFord150 u idiot! u are not getting it, telling u, go that away! go play with kolars and count to ten then let that bad air out of your pie hole lol getting the message now kolars!? lol your questions mean nothing to me, ah's like you are a yawn, cant even apply common sense! you swim in ignorance getting it now? "their" "there" "dear" it will sink in soon. or should I "brake" "break" it down for you some more? lol  save your fake "best wishes" I'm sure you cant even come close to meaning them! lol u remind me of kolars and trump. put up a front and do your dirt! lol I bet you try and get someone in court then try and out spend them when you know you are wrong!  flb! people like u are being exposed! lol now go kick rocks! lol 

o and again tell robert kolars to tell his moms cant make it tonight! lol 
 
Kayleen

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Grow up.  This is a forum for adults.
propertymangergetitright

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@Kayleen @RedFord150 go tell you racist bigoted cop buddies to grow up! and stop being flb! tell them do not shoot another unarmed black person. Then I will think about it deal!? 
OHlandlord

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This debate is ridiculous.  I am very familiar with many state laws (and my state in particular).  Almost all state laws require the landlord to repair any appliance that has been supplied with the rental.  RedFord150 is correct.  Legally, the landlord must make repairs to the appliance until the lease ends.  Once the lease ends, he can send a 30 day notice of change in terms stating that the washer/dryer is no longer included in the rental and will no longer be repaired.  Until then, regardless of what your lease says that you won't fix an appliance, state laws requiring you to maintain them take precedence. This is why more and more landlords are choosing not to provide appliances in their rentals.

Providing appliances with a rental makes them part of the rental.  You have to make repairs to them just as if you would have to repair the heat or hot water.  No one needs to provide proof of why an appliance breaks to use repair and deduct remedies.  That said, if the tenant abuses them, and your repairman puts on the repair invoice that the breakage was the tenant's fault, then you can charge the cost to the tenant.  In future, buy good used appliances from a reputable used appliance dealer who will give you a warranty on the product.

To the original poster, please look up your state laws under landlord-tenant statutes.  Look for a section marked landlord obligation (or legal obligation, or other such verbiage).  It is a section that states what must be maintained and to what standard.  That will tell you what the landlord must continue to keep repaired.
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